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On note of not violating WP:3RR, I've opened a topic to discuss the official name of Germany from 1918-1933, on July 11th an annonymous user unilaterally changed the official name of the Weimar Republic to "German republic" [sic], later changed by a user to "German Republic". I then revert this change to correspond with the constitutional name used diplomatically for the years of this period of German history, this was later reverted back by Acroterion due to note-c, despite the fact that it explicitly says that Germany "unofficially proclaimed itself, as the German Republic". Regardless, "German Reich" apart from being the official name is the name that attracts consensus in the page as evidenced in the archived talks, where the discussions isn't even about using "Republic" but whether "Reich" should be translated or not (note that I am not here to challenge said consensus, only to upheld it). Kind regards, Shrek 5 the divorce (talk) 01:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like “Reich” is indeed the long-standing content. I defer to others on whether it’s the appropriate heading, or whether a translated heading is needed at all. It looks a bit redundant to me in the info box, but German translation nuance is outside my competence. I retain my long-standing concern about infoboxes in general, which sometimes pack too much nuance into a medium not well suited to nuance. I am satisfied that a return to a status quo ante would be in order. Acroterion(talk)03:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It also generally means 'realm' or 'state', e.g. Frankreich 'France', regardless of whether France is formally a kingdom, empire, or republic. Remsense诉23:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the context of Germany, including the interwar period, the term "Reich" specifically refers to "Empire". At least in my opinion it should absolutely be translated as the use of the German term in Anglophone use is heavily POV and implies differences not covered by the term in its German use, pertaining to the implication of uniqueness of specifically Germany in particular. 2A02:1210:1C27:2900:D034:81E2:D86D:214 (talk) 00:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean with "empire" in that context? It doesn't have an emperor not did it even have colonies to be considered a colonial empire, if anything the word "empire" is one that doesn't refer to the Weimar Republic. Moreover, the word "Reich" is absolutely one that is unique in the way that it doesn't translate fluently, "Reich" can mean "empire", but it can also mean "realm" like the user above mentioned, languages typically don't have vocabularies that can be compared in a table where every word has the one and only meaning, to call that POV is just not understanding how other languages interact. Besides, all of this is irrelevant when at the end of the day, "German Reich" was the accepted translation for the official name for Germany at the time as seen in the diplomacy during the Weimar Republic, the argument is not (or should not be) whether we like the term or not, is if it was contemporaneous to the period or not, inventing terms like "German Empire" for the Weimar Republic is pure WP:OR. Shrek 5 the divorce (talk) 01:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to the article on the flag of Nazi Germany. The 3:5 flag from 1933 to 1935, which was based on the Second Empire's flag, was only one part of the dual flag system during that period. The swastika flag, although not the same version as the 1935 design, was co-official alongside the Second Empire flag. From 1935 onwards, the swastika flag became the only flag for most of the Nazi era. If we must choose between flags, the Nazi party flag is more relevant than the German Empire flag. However, there's no rule that says we must use a flag from any specific period other than the whole period of Nazi Germany. That said, the 1935 flag is the one most associated with Nazi Germany. Gooduserdude (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it's weird how the "famous" Nazi flag (the swastika one) doesn't show up next to Nazi Germany's name, but given that the "succeeded by" parameter is in chronological order, I guess it makes sense to use the other flag, given that the swastika one wasn't the true, official flag until 1935... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you missed my entire point, wierd or not, read again above: The swastika flag, although not the same version as the 1935 design, was co-official alongside the Second Empire flag, in the years 1933-1935 Gooduserdude (talk) 10:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As you rightly noted, these were co-official flags.
Here is the official text of the presidential decree on temporary rules on the display of the flag, as cited by the French Wikipedia, it cannot be made more precise:
Erlaß des Reichspräsidenten über die vorläufige Regelung der Flaggenhissung vom 12. März 1933.
Am heutigen Tage, an dem in ganz Deutschland
die alten schwarz-weiß-roten Fahnen zu Ehren unserer Gefallenen auf Halbmast wehen, bestimme ich, daß vom morgigen Tage bis zur endgültigen Regelung der Reichsfarben die
schwarz-weiß-rote Fahne und die Hakenkreuzflagge gemeinsam zu hissen sind. Diese Flaggen verbinden die ruhmreiche Vergangenheit des Deutschen Reichs und die kraftvolle Wiedergeburt der Deutschen Nation. Vereint sollen sie die Macht des Staates und die innere Verbundenheit aller nationalen Kreise des deutschen Volkes verkörpern!
Die militärischen Gebäude hissen nur die Reichskriegsflagge.
Berlin, den 12. März 1933.
Der Reichspräsident von Hindenburg.
Der Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler
This means that officially these two flags jointly and indivisibly represent the German state during the period 1933-1935. Legally and for historical reasons, the two flags are inseparable during that period, and one cannot represent the state without the other. If you look at photos from 1933-1935, you will see the two flags flying on the facades of the official buildings. This is not a question of ideology, but of historical veracity. I hope that this source and solution proposed by me will put an end to the controversy. Therefore, you should create a file on Wikimedia Commons, because there is not a possibility to add two flags, and put it on this page as Nazi successor flag of 1933. 109.197.172.74 (talk) 07:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i don't have the expertise to do that, furthermore wikipedia is a collaborative project, while i do not see the point for doing that, just read my argument above but if others think differently than your proposal could be considered Gooduserdude (talk) 12:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
actually this is not reasonable, i mean if we do that, does that mean we shall 3 flags in the nazi germany infobox, everytime nazi german flagicon is shown showing all 3 flags etc..... Gooduserdude (talk) 12:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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